#SupremeCourt to hear today petitions seeking 100% verification of EVM votes with VVPAT slips.
A bench comprising Justices Sanjiv Khanna and Dipankar Datta will hear the petitions filed by @adrspeaks and others.
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A bench comprising Justices Sanjiv Khanna and Dipankar Datta will hear the petitions filed by @adrspeaks and others.
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Sr Adv Prashant Bhushan: Milords will this matter be taken up?
J Khanna: Yes this was originally not listed for today, but we have included it in the list. We will try to take it up around 12-12:15pm
Matter passed over.
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J Khanna: Yes this was originally not listed for today, but we have included it in the list. We will try to take it up around 12-12:15pm
Matter passed over.
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Matter taken up.
J Khanna: there are two specially fixed matters. The EVM matter is first, weโll take it up now.
At 2pm, Mr Raju is appearing in around 300 matters regarding GST where we have stayed the arrest.
We will take the EVM matter first.
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J Khanna: there are two specially fixed matters. The EVM matter is first, weโll take it up now.
At 2pm, Mr Raju is appearing in around 300 matters regarding GST where we have stayed the arrest.
We will take the EVM matter first.
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J Khanna: okay letโs start EVM
Adv Prashant Bhushan for petitioners: this matter has come up in Subramaniam Swamy and Chandrababu Naidu, so court made it 1-5 and didnโt go into the integrity of the EVMs
J Khanna: please be cautious that this has come up before as well
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Adv Prashant Bhushan for petitioners: this matter has come up in Subramaniam Swamy and Chandrababu Naidu, so court made it 1-5 and didnโt go into the integrity of the EVMs
J Khanna: please be cautious that this has come up before as well
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Bhushan: we arenโt saying they are manipulated or have been. We are saying they CAN be manipulated as both EVM and VVPAT has two kinds of chips.
First memory in the chip that can be programmed and a flash memory used during symbol loading.
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First memory in the chip that can be programmed and a flash memory used during symbol loading.
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Bhushan: in each constituency the order of symbols will be different and the VVPAT has to print the slip with the symbol, a program has to be installed in each machine to tell it that if number 3 button is pressed then show the symbol in the slip.
So they are programmable chips
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So they are programmable chips
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J Khanna: the symbol loading is in the flash memory
Bhushan: yes. Just a few days ago an op poll was published by the Hindu asking whether you trust integrity of the EVM
J Khanna: please confine yourself to legal arguments
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Bhushan: yes. Just a few days ago an op poll was published by the Hindu asking whether you trust integrity of the EVM
J Khanna: please confine yourself to legal arguments
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Bhushan: these are programmable so you can install a malicious program.
Most European counties have gone back to paper slips.
J Khanna: this has not been accepted before, so donโt
Bhushan: itโs a fact that the German court has said that EVM cannot be trusted
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Most European counties have gone back to paper slips.
J Khanna: this has not been accepted before, so donโt
Bhushan: itโs a fact that the German court has said that EVM cannot be trusted
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Bhushan: even the Indian SC has said that you have to have a paper trail because EVM cannot be trusted
Thatโs why VVPAT is there
Yet today there is a sample done of only 5 VVPAT machines in every constituency which is roughly only 2% of the slips being counted.
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Thatโs why VVPAT is there
Yet today there is a sample done of only 5 VVPAT machines in every constituency which is roughly only 2% of the slips being counted.
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Bhushan: if there is a mismatch, the protocol is that if the difference in the rest of the constituency other than where there is a mismatch is more than the total number of voters in that polling station then you can ignore the mismatch.
Otherwise there will be a recount the VVPAT count will prevail over the EVM count
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Otherwise there will be a recount the VVPAT count will prevail over the EVM count
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J Datta: please try to explain this mismatch by figures
J Khanna: when we assemble at 2pm, you can explain to us how the mismatch might happen
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J Khanna: when we assemble at 2pm, you can explain to us how the mismatch might happen
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Hearing resumes.
J Khanna: what relief are you seeking?
Bhushan; everything that can protect the system. First paper slip, and then give VVPAT slips to the voter to see it is exactly as he voted for and he can put in the ballot box.
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J Khanna: what relief are you seeking?
Bhushan; everything that can protect the system. First paper slip, and then give VVPAT slips to the voter to see it is exactly as he voted for and he can put in the ballot box.
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Bhushan: in 2017 the deigned the VVPAT machines different from what they used to be. The machine should have a transparent glass. In 2017 it was changed to dark opaque mirrored glass, where you canโt see unless a light is lit inside the box, you canโt even see the slip cut and go inside the box.
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Bhushan: suppose you put a program that if two consecutive votes are cast for the same person then the slip wonโt be cut.
J Khanna: we have understood. What do you want?
Bhushan: we can make the glass transparent. This is three options.
Ballot paper, give VVPAT slip to voter and third is transparent glass.
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J Khanna: we have understood. What do you want?
Bhushan: we can make the glass transparent. This is three options.
Ballot paper, give VVPAT slip to voter and third is transparent glass.
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Adv: there is a fourth option. If the voter feels something is not right, they can file a complaint under 177.
Bhushan: according to me these are the three suggestions. Most European countries have gone back to ballot paper
J Datta: what is the population of Germany?
Bhushan: 5-6 crores
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Bhushan: according to me these are the three suggestions. Most European countries have gone back to ballot paper
J Datta: what is the population of Germany?
Bhushan: 5-6 crores
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J Khanna: we are in our 60s, we know all that can go wrong
How many voters are there in India?
Bhushan: 50-60 crores
J Khanna: 97 crores is the total number of registered voters. 60-65% vote.
Anyway these are your three solutions. Anyone else?
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How many voters are there in India?
Bhushan: 50-60 crores
J Khanna: 97 crores is the total number of registered voters. 60-65% vote.
Anyway these are your three solutions. Anyone else?
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J Khanna: so you are saying 60 crore votes to be counted?
Sr Adv Gopal Sankaranarayanan: ECI affidavit says they will take 12 days if all votes have to be counted
Adv: a barcode can be used
J Khanna: how will it be fixed on the slip? How to use it when counting? Each vote will have a separate bar code? You should do the exercise before making an argument
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Sr Adv Gopal Sankaranarayanan: ECI affidavit says they will take 12 days if all votes have to be counted
Adv: a barcode can be used
J Khanna: how will it be fixed on the slip? How to use it when counting? Each vote will have a separate bar code? You should do the exercise before making an argument
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J Khanna: in a shop bar code is on every item. If each vote is given a barcode, it wonโt help in counting until you give each candidate a separate bar code. That will be a humongous exercise.
As far as paper ballots, we have seen the drawbacks. Mr Bhushan can argue that.
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As far as paper ballots, we have seen the drawbacks. Mr Bhushan can argue that.
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Adv Anand Grover: there is supposed to be an independent technical committee. They are never independent
J Khanna: human intervention leads to a problem. Including bias. Machine normally without humans works properly and gives accurate results.
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J Khanna: human intervention leads to a problem. Including bias. Machine normally without humans works properly and gives accurate results.
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J Khanna: problem occurs when someone makes changes around the software
If you have some suggestions on that you can submit
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If you have some suggestions on that you can submit
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Bhushan: I have given a few propositions. There was a large citizens commission which examined the EVMs with the worlds top computer scientists who recommended that in an EVM votes are recorded electronically and no guarantee can be given to the voter that the vote was correctly cast and recorded in the final tally.
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Bhushan: correctness cannot be establish. May be hacked. One is manipulation and hacking remotely through a Bluetooth device or virtually.
EC says they cannot be hacked virtually. When a server loading person comes
J Khanna: we have understood
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EC says they cannot be hacked virtually. When a server loading person comes
J Khanna: we have understood
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Bhushan: just because it has not happened doesnโt mean it canโt be.
Even the VVPAT has a problem, but it s voter verified since the voter can verify or cancel their votes if discrepancies are noted. It also has a dispute resolution system.
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Even the VVPAT has a problem, but it s voter verified since the voter can verify or cancel their votes if discrepancies are noted. It also has a dispute resolution system.
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Bhushan: problem is even bigger because of the opaque glass and the voter canโt see the slip being cut.
Thatโs why all the opposition parties said give the VVPAT slip to the voter and let them put it in the ballot box.
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Thatโs why all the opposition parties said give the VVPAT slip to the voter and let them put it in the ballot box.
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Bhushan: today there is only a small slip with one symbol, and Mr Qureshi who was the Election commissioner said that counting of the VVPAT slips wouldnโt take more than a few hours.
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Bhushan: counting doesnโt have to be done sequentially can be done parallely.
J Khanna: we have understood that. Any other thing you want to argue?
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J Khanna: we have understood that. Any other thing you want to argue?
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Bhushan: today they are still only counting 5 VVPAT machines. In one constituency there are more than 200.
They are only counting 2%. There is not justification to not count on. Due to the opaque glass, even the VVPAT can be manipulated.
Let the voter take the slip and put it in the ballot box.
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They are only counting 2%. There is not justification to not count on. Due to the opaque glass, even the VVPAT can be manipulated.
Let the voter take the slip and put it in the ballot box.
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Bhushan: only way to be sure is to let the voter verify the slip. Being a small slip the counting will be done in well less than a day.
In the election they are taking 6 weeks, one more day makes no difference.
One more day vs confidence in the whole system.
Majority of people donโt trust the EVM
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In the election they are taking 6 weeks, one more day makes no difference.
One more day vs confidence in the whole system.
Majority of people donโt trust the EVM
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Bhushan: democratic system must not only work but seen to work by the voters.
Since voters donโt trust EVM what is the problem in counting the VVPAT slips?
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Since voters donโt trust EVM what is the problem in counting the VVPAT slips?
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Bhushan: in case two consecutive votes are cast for the same party, the VVPAT can be manipulated so that one vote goes to one party and another goes to other party.
They are not showing the source code of the EVM citing IP concerns and that is causing even more trouble.
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They are not showing the source code of the EVM citing IP concerns and that is causing even more trouble.
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Bhushan: the companies who run these machines ECIL and Bharat Electronics have BJP people as their directors.
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Bhushan: the recommendations of the citizens commissions are by the worldโs best experts in this domain.
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Bhushan: the German constitutional court made an emphatic conclusion that these are not reliable.
It said that the interest of protection of the status quo is based on the trust of the people in the constitutionality.
The fact that they can be manipulated is enough to say they canโt be trusted
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It said that the interest of protection of the status quo is based on the trust of the people in the constitutionality.
The fact that they can be manipulated is enough to say they canโt be trusted
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Sr Adv Gopal Sankaranarayanan: I adopt everything that Mr Bhushan says.
We are not saying that there is any malice. Only issue is that the confidence of the voter in the vote he has cast.
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We are not saying that there is any malice. Only issue is that the confidence of the voter in the vote he has cast.
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Shankaranarayana: voters have that particular right. In this case the RTI is not being exercised for a candidate but regarding what I have exercised.
Pls look at a small man in a village. They press a button and see a paper falling into a box.
Multitudes of people donโt have an idea on what happened.
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Pls look at a small man in a village. They press a button and see a paper falling into a box.
Multitudes of people donโt have an idea on what happened.
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Sankarayanarayan: the physical contact with the vote is gone. There is no satisfaction of the vote being cast.
It seems like magic to many of the voters who donโt understand how this tech works.
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It seems like magic to many of the voters who donโt understand how this tech works.
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Sankrayananan: govt bought 17 lakh VVPATs. For every voting machine there is a VVPAT machine.
2.71 lakh machines have been replaced in 7 years, because tech has changed. Itโs not perfect. There could be errors in these machines.
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2.71 lakh machines have been replaced in 7 years, because tech has changed. Itโs not perfect. There could be errors in these machines.
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Sankaranarayanan: 17.4 lakh VVPAT machines are being used. This is what the ECI told the PTI.
J Khanna: they are getting 8.92 lakh more machines
Mr Singh what is this? There are three units to the VVPAT. Each has three? All work in tandem and you buy all three together?
Adv Maninder Singh for ECI: that may not be necessary
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J Khanna: they are getting 8.92 lakh more machines
Mr Singh what is this? There are three units to the VVPAT. Each has three? All work in tandem and you buy all three together?
Adv Maninder Singh for ECI: that may not be necessary
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J Khanna: suppose each booth has three polling stations inside, they will have three machines?
Singh: yes
J Khanna; and you store all three together? Just check this up
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Singh: yes
J Khanna; and you store all three together? Just check this up
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J Khanna: in the lunch break we thought whether after the voting is done, there must be storage of each machine, even after the counting is done, can those machines be kept for a technical evaluation or inspection?
Singh: if a machine has to packed, the political representative signs off on it
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Singh: if a machine has to packed, the political representative signs off on it
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J Khanna: Mr Singh there is not need to be apprehensive, we have not said anything. What is the factual position? And can you keep the units for future inspection?
Singh: the counter affidavit takes into account that the use of the machine and what happens after the vote is cast
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Singh: the counter affidavit takes into account that the use of the machine and what happens after the vote is cast
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J Khanna: after voting are they stored? Does the data go or machines also go?
Singh: everything goes.
J Khanna: after voting are the machines sealed by the representative of the candidates also? The controlling unit remains with the polling officer?
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Singh: everything goes.
J Khanna: after voting are the machines sealed by the representative of the candidates also? The controlling unit remains with the polling officer?
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J Khanna: the controlling unit is with the polling officer. The polling unit can take 1000 votes. After every 1000 votes the unit is changed.
So they donโt need to be changed unless there is a malfunction but they are stored together and after the counting they are also kept together?
And then the candidates representatives also sign off?
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So they donโt need to be changed unless there is a malfunction but they are stored together and after the counting they are also kept together?
And then the candidates representatives also sign off?
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J Khanna: each unit is also separately sealed and then stored. Is there a possibility to ascertain later whether the controlling unit was attached to the other units?
ECI: by serial number
J Khanna: but not possible electronically. Is there any port attached? How is software uploaded?
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ECI: by serial number
J Khanna: but not possible electronically. Is there any port attached? How is software uploaded?
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J Khanna: symbols are added where?
ECI: symbols are generated in the VVPAT and software is independently made.
J Khanna: how you upload? There must be cable port
ECI: by a cable.
J Khanna: that port is done for each polling booth separately?
ECI: yes
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ECI: symbols are generated in the VVPAT and software is independently made.
J Khanna: how you upload? There must be cable port
ECI: by a cable.
J Khanna: that port is done for each polling booth separately?
ECI: yes
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J Khanna: is there any checking after the polling or counting? Thatโs mandatory
ECI: No
J Khanna: so you donโt do any cross checking?
ECI: only in case candidate raises concerns
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ECI: No
J Khanna: so you donโt do any cross checking?
ECI: only in case candidate raises concerns
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J Khanna: who keeps the software?
ECI: the engineers have it.
J Khanna: after uploading is it sealed? Can we get the entire stages from 0-z for the methodology and procedure adopted?
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ECI: the engineers have it.
J Khanna: after uploading is it sealed? Can we get the entire stages from 0-z for the methodology and procedure adopted?
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J Khanna: after polling do you permit a person to take technical help to verify the machine?
Singh: the machine is not shared with anybody
J Khanna: after polling, the machine remains as they are but you donโt share unless court demands
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Singh: the machine is not shared with anybody
J Khanna: after polling, the machine remains as they are but you donโt share unless court demands
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J Khanna: so when does candidate get opportunity? One when software is uploaded, then on polling day a mock poll and at the stage of counting is there any exercise to ensure the data in each machine is available to the candidate?
ECI: yes
J Khanna: also the data regarding the votes polled and captured
ECI: Yes
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ECI: yes
J Khanna: also the data regarding the votes polled and captured
ECI: Yes
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J Khanna: the paper used for VVPAT is it thermal or normal paper? Thermal paper? Does it have a printer on it
So the thermal paper is used, where ink remains for 5 years.
Is the thermal roll good for 2000 votes? Is the roll changed?
ECI: no the printer is replaced
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So the thermal paper is used, where ink remains for 5 years.
Is the thermal roll good for 2000 votes? Is the roll changed?
ECI: no the printer is replaced
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J Khanna: the roll which is left, can you cross checked the number of votes based on the unused roll?
ECI: paper depletion will be mentioned.
J Khanna: can you give us all this in a note
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ECI: paper depletion will be mentioned.
J Khanna: can you give us all this in a note
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J Khanna: tell us where the candidates get to interact with the machines and how they are kept to prevent misuse or abuse?
Bhushan: if there is a malicious program put based on a timer, it may function properly till the polling day, and malfunction only during the voting hours between 10am-4pm
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Bhushan: if there is a malicious program put based on a timer, it may function properly till the polling day, and malfunction only during the voting hours between 10am-4pm
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J Khanna: is the data uploaded? No? It remains with the machine itself? How do you count the votes?
You look at each VVPAT unit display
Canโt the polling officer also gave access to it? When the polling takes place?
ECI: it is not possible, only after the poll is closed we can
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You look at each VVPAT unit display
Canโt the polling officer also gave access to it? When the polling takes place?
ECI: it is not possible, only after the poll is closed we can
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ECI: once poll is closed, only then we can
J Khanna: if polling is closed at 4pm, and till then 1000 votes were cast, so then the officer closes the polling. Will he not have access to the data? It is possible?
ECI: candidates representative will not allow
J Khanna: otherwise he can. So there is not intervention to the data stored in the machine
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J Khanna: if polling is closed at 4pm, and till then 1000 votes were cast, so then the officer closes the polling. Will he not have access to the data? It is possible?
ECI: candidates representative will not allow
J Khanna: otherwise he can. So there is not intervention to the data stored in the machine
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J Khanna: what is the punishment if there is any manipulation that happens? There should be a fear of consequences
Singh for ECI: s. 132A and 134 of the RP Act. For procedure.
J Khanna: this is much more serious than procedure. So there is no specific provision.
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Singh for ECI: s. 132A and 134 of the RP Act. For procedure.
J Khanna: this is much more serious than procedure. So there is no specific provision.
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Court: there will be some IPC offences.
Sankaranarayanan: the opaque box does not allow any interaction with the voter. A physical slip allows confirmation for the voter which is critical.
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Sankaranarayanan: the opaque box does not allow any interaction with the voter. A physical slip allows confirmation for the voter which is critical.
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Sankarayanarayn: this is the shortest possible way to give confidence to the voter with the elections looming.
We have given a demonstration.
From the 2019 elections, the Quint saw the data on the ECs website to go statewise and this data was pulled from the website later.
Voter turnout data vs votes counted. There were discrepancies in 373 constituencies. There was a surplus of votes counted.
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We have given a demonstration.
From the 2019 elections, the Quint saw the data on the ECs website to go statewise and this data was pulled from the website later.
Voter turnout data vs votes counted. There were discrepancies in 373 constituencies. There was a surplus of votes counted.
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Court: if there is any such discrepancy, each candidate has that data. Each machine has a number, so whenever the candidate checks they can see how many votes were cast or recorded.
There may sometimes be a discrepancy. If there is, then the candidate can put a query.
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There may sometimes be a discrepancy. If there is, then the candidate can put a query.
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Court: if this is true, the candidate would have immediately challenged it. If you have the number of the machine, you know where it was and what number of votes were cast.
Why will the candidate not object?
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Why will the candidate not object?
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Sankaranaryanan: the EC in their reply had not addressed the issues raised by us.
Court:is there a timer in these machines?
ECI: no but it can be put
Court: so when the counting starts, can the clock data be made available to the candidates.
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Court:is there a timer in these machines?
ECI: no but it can be put
Court: so when the counting starts, can the clock data be made available to the candidates.
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Court: you will see why the candidate didnโt challenge in pg 439.
The mismatch was much less than than the MoV.
This is a humongous task, no European country can do this.
My home state WB has more population than Germany. We must repose some confidence.
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The mismatch was much less than than the MoV.
This is a humongous task, no European country can do this.
My home state WB has more population than Germany. We must repose some confidence.
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Court: machines are manipulated by humans. When you do hand counting, there will be different numbers counting.
Sankaranarayanan: in the 5% VVPAT that they are counting, there are no discrepancies
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Sankaranarayanan: in the 5% VVPAT that they are counting, there are no discrepancies
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Sankaranarayanan: these discrepancies from 2019 were accepted by a Parliamentary committee which said that the EC did not respond to them.
If this has happened, can we doubt the system? Otherwise you can say there is a huge population.
I am not saying anyone did anything. I am saying there is high chance of error.
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If this has happened, can we doubt the system? Otherwise you can say there is a huge population.
I am not saying anyone did anything. I am saying there is high chance of error.
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Court: candidate can ask for the counting or paper slips, and the election officer can pass an order. In case of a discrepancy, candidate can exercise their right
Sankaranarayanan: I am least concerned about the candidate. I am concerned about the voters fundamental right to know what happened to their vote.
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Sankaranarayanan: I am least concerned about the candidate. I am concerned about the voters fundamental right to know what happened to their vote.
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Sankarayanarayan: in LS candidates have 44% criminal records. Leave them. The voters need physical interface and verification. Allow me to pick up the slip and put it in the box.
5000 cr has been spent, they want one nation one vote, do this little bit.
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5000 cr has been spent, they want one nation one vote, do this little bit.
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Court: at this stage, paper slip is not given. Voter can ask. But then the whole process has to stop and the machine has to be opened?
Is this rational? You can ask in case there is a discrepancy
Sankarayanarayan: there is a declaration that the voter has to sign. What have I gained? I am only pointing out a discrepancy
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Is this rational? You can ask in case there is a discrepancy
Sankarayanarayan: there is a declaration that the voter has to sign. What have I gained? I am only pointing out a discrepancy
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Court: even if 10% people raise objections the whole process will stop
Sankarayanarayan: yes it must, I am entitled to ask! I am a voter, what do I gain by deliberately stopping the process
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Sankarayanarayan: yes it must, I am entitled to ask! I am a voter, what do I gain by deliberately stopping the process
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Bhushan: if there is a mismatch between VVPAT and EVM, they only let VVPAT count prevail in that polling station.
They do not check the others. They are only sampling 5 VVPAT machines.
Earlier they said that the discrepancy was because mock poll data was not cleared as if there is no possibility of manipulation.
Why not check the other VVPATs?
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They do not check the others. They are only sampling 5 VVPAT machines.
Earlier they said that the discrepancy was because mock poll data was not cleared as if there is no possibility of manipulation.
Why not check the other VVPATs?
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Court: Mr Bhushan you said majority of voters donโt trust EVM? How did you get that data?
Bhushan: there was a poll
Court: letโs not believe in private polls. Letโs not go into all that. To examine we have to see the data
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Bhushan: there was a poll
Court: letโs not believe in private polls. Letโs not go into all that. To examine we have to see the data
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Court: problem with data is that it must be authentic, not based on opinion but actual performance.
We will get the data from the EC.
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We will get the data from the EC.
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Court: there are bound to be mismatch, there is human error not machine errors. Machine can be manipulated but that be checked and countered, we will see how.
Bhushan: can they say if there is a mismatch they will selectively use VVPAT data
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Bhushan: can they say if there is a mismatch they will selectively use VVPAT data
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Adv: there is some confusion that 5% VVPATs have been used. But it is not, it was 5 machines per assembly constituency.
Only 5 units are been scrutinised. The percentage of VVPAT scrutiny is 0.00185%
Not even 1% must be close to 50% scrutiny. You have the machine and paper.
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Only 5 units are been scrutinised. The percentage of VVPAT scrutiny is 0.00185%
Not even 1% must be close to 50% scrutiny. You have the machine and paper.
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Adv: this scrutiny is meaningless
Court: Mr Singh how long does it take to count 5 units?
Singh: 5-6 hours
Court: and to count the votes per machine?
Singh: in the ballot unit the moment the time is over it will come
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Court: Mr Singh how long does it take to count 5 units?
Singh: 5-6 hours
Court: and to count the votes per machine?
Singh: in the ballot unit the moment the time is over it will come
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Court: in each unit the total votes is just 1000, canโt take more than one hour to count it.
Adv: they have said that average time to count VVPAT in one polling station is one hour
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Adv: they have said that average time to count VVPAT in one polling station is one hour
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Adv: in the constituent assembly, KM Munshi said that if there is a democracy then the people shall be able to elect their representatives in a manner with impartiality and transparency.
At least 50% verification is needed to restore the confidence.
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At least 50% verification is needed to restore the confidence.
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Adv Husaifa Ahmadi: just because it takes time to verify, that should not be a reason to not call for it to be verified.
If the VVPATs can be compared with actual numbers of votes polled then it shall be in the interest of free and fair elections. The EC should welcome this.
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If the VVPATs can be compared with actual numbers of votes polled then it shall be in the interest of free and fair elections. The EC should welcome this.
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Ahmadi: the ECI said they are not stakeholders, the biggest stakeholders in a democracy is the public
Court: he did not say that, only that sometimes allegations are made by those who are not stakeholders
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Court: he did not say that, only that sometimes allegations are made by those who are not stakeholders
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Adv Nizam Pasha: my vote cannot be checked once I have voted. There is not verification. Only under the statute will another vote will be cast and if that is accurate then my vote will be assumed to be accurate.
Court: there are so many assumptions. If the machines are made in a way that no one knows the identity of the voter, that is right
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Court: there are so many assumptions. If the machines are made in a way that no one knows the identity of the voter, that is right
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Court: we will take up on Thursday. Will you be happy with the private sector manufacturing the machine?
Letโs keep it on Thursday.
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Letโs keep it on Thursday.
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